Elsie Darbee tyed wet flies

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Elsie Darbee tyed wet flies

Postby catskilljohn » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:46 pm

From McClain's Fishing Encyclopedia...




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Re: Elsie Darbee tyed wet flies

Postby dennis » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:43 pm

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Thanks for showing Elsie's dressings.

Very nice

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Re: Elsie Darbee tyed wet flies

Postby bobpetti » Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:56 pm

Great pics!! You can see how she tied the wings concave side in trapping some of the hackle collar between rather than tying down the hackle - like the Irish style people refer to today. Beautiful flies. Thanks for posting.
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Re: Elsie Darbee tyed wet flies

Postby The Novice Returns » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:52 pm

Yeah, John, but pay closer attention. See any bead heads?
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Re: Elsie Darbee tyed wet flies

Postby catskilljohn » Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:18 pm

The Novice Returns wrote:Yeah, John, but pay closer attention. See any bead heads?


No, now that you mention it... no I dont! Wierd huh? :lol: :lol: CJ
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Re: Elsie Darbee tyed wet flies

Postby Allan » Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:37 pm

bobpetti wrote:Great pics!! You can see how she tied the wings concave side in trapping some of the hackle collar between rather than tying down the hackle - like the Irish style people refer to today. Beautiful flies. Thanks for posting.


Maybe I'm misunderstanding what the 'concave side in' means. Maybe my eyes are deceiving me but many of those quill wings are tyed with the slips concave side 'out'.

Also, if anyone has the April/May(?) 1939 issue of FORTUNE magazine there's a fantastic article about fly tying and features beautiful selections of flies tyed by several of that era including the Darbees. Sorry but I don't have the skill to photo and post them. Maybe someone can.

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Re: Elsie Darbee tyed wet flies

Postby bobpetti » Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:06 pm

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what the 'concave side in' means. Maybe my eyes are deceiving me but many of those quill wings are tyed with the slips concave side 'out'.


Maybe. The coachmans (Leadwing, Royal, etc), the Pink Lady - those all look concave in to me but it could be wishful thinking on my part, lol. I have a picture of some flies from the CFFC somewhere but I can't seem to find them now. Ah well.
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Re: Elsie Darbee tyed wet flies

Postby shakey » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:15 pm

it might be time for another upwing vs. downwing,flat vs. splayed wing thread.

i am in the process of reconsidering my own position on this.
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Re: Elsie Darbee tyed wet flies

Postby catskilljohn » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:29 am

bobpetti wrote:You can see how she tied the wings concave side in trapping some of the hackle collar between rather than tying down the hackle


This is how they describe the technique in their book, "the two wings should be placed on the hook with the curves pointing up and in" That would be with the concave sides facing each other and the longer tips on the top. I cant imagine the Darbee's tying in both styles, as once you can zip a fly together as fast as they could, you were beyond experimenting.

I used to tye wets in what I call the Don Bastian style, with the wings splayed but I found they would sometimes spin in the water. Also, tyed in that manner, the "good side" is showing to the outside, which is desirable in a framed fly, but the fishing aspect is more important.

Shakey, start one up man, we haven't hashed over the wing dispute in over a year :lol: CJ
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Re: Elsie Darbee tyed wet flies

Postby catskilljohn » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:42 am

Here are 2 from the CFFCM Darbee display...
A Lady Beaverkill...
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And Royal Coachman
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You can clearly see the concave in on these. I believe its the style they tye them in that sometimes gives the wing a split look. CJ
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