Capra hair

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ted patlen
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Capra hair

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Does anyone have some longish Capra hair from the far past? I want to tie some old salt water patterns. Not the newer Icelandic or cashmere or anything soft.

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Re: Capra hair

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Ted, what exactly are you tying--and how long is the hair you are looking for?

It's hard to find vintage goat--and the hair of it isn't that long, maybe one inch? One and a half? Here's some from Art Dedini's shop, probably in the 1960s--

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The contemporary stuff is rather longer and as you say softer--

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Capra is hard to find, Carrie Stevens sometimes used it for her smaller ties and non-bucktail bucktails like the FRS Special--but she too lamented how hard it was to get her hands on the stuff.

Got a yard? Maybe get your own goat?

bb
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Re: Capra hair

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I'm doing some older patterns for a project so I'm looking for some of the original material. Goat hair back then was what you said...from the backyard...The pattern that I'm starting with is Harold Gibb's striper fly...I have lots of stuff, too much...but no goat. hoping to find some white hair .Maybe he used the tail or the beard...I've seen one of his tied with goat and it was about 3" long and wavy.

while I'm at it, how about a size 1/0 de tined or cadmium hook with a short shank? He also used boozed hooks as well..

Thanks in advance

Ted

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Re: Capra hair

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ted patlen wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:11 pm
I'm doing some older patterns for a project so I'm looking for some of the original material. Goat hair back then was what you said...from the backyard...The pattern that I'm starting with is Harold Gibb's striper fly...I have lots of stuff, too much...but no goat. hoping to find some white hair .Maybe he used the tail or the beard...I've seen one of his tied with goat and it was about 3" long and wavy.

while I'm at it, how about a size 1/0 de tined or cadmium hook with a short shank? He also used boozed hooks as well..

Thanks in advance

Ted
Ted
I have a few different models....... Will check tonight when I get home and post pictures..
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Gibbs striper fly? Like this one (picked off the internet)?

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3" is long goat. This thread describes how the original goat was changed to bucktail, and this would maybe explain the length.stiffness/waviness that we see in this particular tie:

https://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk ... -bucktail/

Lacking capra, I'd try either bucktail or Canadian goat.

bb

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Ted
This might be an option, but it is up eye:
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I think this one will be perfect, although I only have a couple of hooks to send you:
End it is a ring eye...
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Or this old timer...
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Re: Capra hair

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Ted

I have to do a more thorough look over the next couple of days. The the previous pictures I posted were taken a while back. I am sure I have some of the exact hook that you need I just have to find them :shock: :shock:

It would be identical to the 6792 Allcock Saanich except with a down eye.
Is 2 1/2” about the right length that you are looking for?

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Re: Capra hair

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BB,
Yes, that is one of the images I have seen. That's why I wrote about the hair may be from the tail or beard.

Dana I think I remember I have some old Mustard de, tinned hooks that should work . The originals I've seen tied by Gibbs all used de hooks.

I appreciate you two looking, but please, don't go crazy. If you do come up with something, don't forget to come up with a price for the stuff.

Thanks

Ted

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