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Eastern dozen must-haves

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 8:01 pm
by BigSkyDave
Westerner question - what dozen fly patterns do I have to have for PA,VT, NH, NY and ME from June thru Sept?

Thanks,
Dave

Re: Eastern dozen must-haves

Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 12:12 am
by catskilljohn
Whew...that's a question with a hundred answers!

I can tell you what I would use, if I was setting up someone who didn't know where to start. Some of these, curiously enough, would probably not be flies I would carry :lol:.

Wooly bugger in black
Mickey Finn
Parachute adams
Lt Cahill
Dark Cahill
Foam beetle
Black ant
EH caddis tan
EH caddis green
GR hares ear
Prince nymph
Green caddis larva

My personal selection of 12 would be...
Bead head hares ear, in #12, #14 and #16- 4 of each ;) CJ

Re: Eastern dozen must-haves

Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 9:11 am
by bearbutt
For the north end of your trip (Adirondacks and NW Maine), I’d suggest:

Sulfurs (including small CDC emergers)
Big orange & dun stimulators (especially for June & July)
Dark dun haystacks
Olive haystacks
Soft hackles with green or red bodies
Tan deer hair caddis
Claret & black leeches
Muddlers and mini-muddlers down to 22
White Wulff
Olive marabou flatwing streamers

bb

Re: Eastern dozen must-haves

Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 1:00 pm
by Eperous
Dave... a few years ago, when I went to Yellowstone National Park with good buddies, who had made the trip many times before me, I tied a few patterns that they suggested, but mostly I fished the patterns that worked best for me here in the Catskills, and caught fish, just like my buddies who purchased several $ worth of "western" patterns shortly after getting off the airplane... so I'd say, tie/fish what you have confidence in for different types of waters... your questions seems to run the gamut of freestone and limestone waters, so I'd recommend picking patterns that best fit those water types... as you might be able to tell, I'm not an "exact hatch matcher"...

Good luck...

Ed

Re: Eastern dozen must-haves

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 11:15 am
by ted patlen
i'm kinda like ed...

but i would tell you that the big difference that i've seen between the eastern flies and western flies is sparseness.

you can take fish on typical western flies like the stimulaters, humpies etc but they may prove more efficient when tied to suit the different water ut here. there are a few rivers that are western like. the esopus , deerfield are two , but for the most part your looking at gentler flows, that require finer tippets. i know of many fine fly fishermen who use very long and light leaders ( in some cases 15-18 ft long down to 8x) so flies that can be fished using that type leader need to be different than the typical thinking.

patterns that i never leave behind are similar to the others choices, sizes vary as does hook style...

beetle-ants 10-20
olives 14 as small as you wish
suphurs ditto
emergers 10 through 24
rusty spinners 1/2 inch body length down through 1/4"
gordon quill type gordon quill, red quill, cross special etc
lead wing coachman dry or wet all sizes...very buggy can't be fished wrong
variants
all nymphs
all streamers from intruder sizes down through mini 1/2" long skinny black nosed dace types

it ain't the mazeradi it's how you drive it

Re: Eastern dozen must-haves

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 2:23 pm
by Allan
The funny thing is: within each of all the above posts, there are several dozen flies not just 1 dozen. For example, just by size alone, Teddy lists 6 beetles, at least 7 olives, same # of sulphurs, an unknown number of sizes and patterns under the term 'emergers', plus numerous others. Not that I have a better answer :lol: That's why I have perhaps 12 pockets in my vest filled with 20+ fly boxes. Even then I cannot find what fly I just know will work at the moment I want it. A dozen? How about a thousand?

Allan

Re: Eastern dozen must-haves

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 9:38 pm
by ted patlen
allan...
i agree and disagree with your post.

12 different flies one each of a certain size is not pertinent to me. 12 patterns at various sizes seems a better response...do you need to bring along all the sizes and patterns. no and i don't expect anyone to.

hopefully who ever looks at this post can see that size of flies is more important than pattern...

how about 12 flies...3 #12, 3, # 14, 3 #18, and 3 # 22.....all quill gordons...they can be fished dry, underwater with a split shot (yes it works), hackled trimmed and fished as an emerger/nymph and cut across the top and bottom as a spinner...

i agree with you about the number thing

Re: Eastern dozen must-haves

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 11:48 pm
by Matt Grobert
I'll add some fuel to the fire.....

1. Ants
2. Iris Caddis
3. Isonychia/Slate Drake
4. Light Cahill
5. Trico
6. Rusty spinner
7. Sulphurs
8. MIssing link caddis
9. Midge pattern
10. Small soft hackles fished dry in the film

Or, better yet go with what you have confidence in, that way you won't second guess yourself on your choice and you are more likely to fish that fly properly.

If all else fails, there's always a squirmy worm........ :lol:

Re: Eastern dozen must-haves

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 7:22 am
by catskilljohn
Matt Grobert wrote: If all else fails, there's always a squirmy worm........ :lol:
Funny you mention that in that context...I was talking to a guy who said the same thing! CJ

Re: Eastern dozen must-haves

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 8:33 am
by ted patlen
catskilljohn wrote:
Matt Grobert wrote: If all else fails, there's always a squirmy worm........ :lol:
Funny you mention that in that context...I was talking to a guy who said the same thing! CJ


isn't that a "leech" :)