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Theroe
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Re: Hook Porn

Post by Theroe » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:42 am

bearbutt wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:24 am
Theroe wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:43 pm
THATS a beautiful chest..... where did you find it?
Believe it or not--eBay....if you look for vintage wood machinist chests the search algorithm will bring up other related chests...and that's how I found this one--dumb algorithm luck. Your hooks would look happy in one of the old Jennings Chestnut or walnut chests they are pricey but beautiful.

You might need something a lot bigger though like a highboy china chest....

bb
Yes I do !!! :lol:

One thing about old hooks, specifically the matchbox or fold type packaging: every now & then I find something in one of them....usually a piece of old feather, an odd hook, or a half tied fly. I think back to the tier who put it in there, intending to go back for it....but never does. To me, it is a connection to that person - a direct link to his thoughts. Last year, in a box of #12 Ray Bergman Blue Label long shank hooks, I found a fly rod snake eye......some fella, for whatever reason, put that there. Did it fall off his rod while fishing? Did he buy it for a repair?...... or was it a gift? In a pack of # 8 Allcocks I once found golden pheasant crests - 6 of them, all perfectly straight, with the deep cherry tips...>>>>>> Now why were they put there? Surely that tier was intending to go back and finish his work.....and it could have been ANYONE!

Dana
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bearbutt
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Re: Hook Porn

Post by bearbutt » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:17 am

Theroe wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:42 am

One thing about old hooks, specifically the matchbox or fold type packaging: every now & then I find something in one of them.... Now why were they put there? Surely that tier was intending to go back and finish his work.....and it could have been ANYONE!

Sounds like me. I put things in little hook boxes so they won't get lost, and then of course I forget about it, and the things are therefore lost forever. It's a little like the Library of Congress in Washington, in the closed stacks: if someone puts a book back in the wrong place, it will not again be found--ever.

The moral is, get little clear plastic boxes for little things, this way you can see from the outside what's on the inside and postpone your own inevitable obsolescence.


bb

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Re: Hook Porn

Post by wiFlyFisher » Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:00 am

I don't have all the hooks you guys have so my problem is not that bad. I do leave the hooks in their original boxes so I remember exactly what the heck the are. Especially, since I have a lot of new hook versions as well as some old ones.

I have been using a couple of year 8 magnetic storage containers that I got cheap on eBay. I place hooks and beads ready to be used on my tying table. The rest of the hooks are stored in their boxes.

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Plus, it is great when traveling to areas to fly fish and taking the thin containers along doesn't take up a lot of space.

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Re: Hook Porn

Post by Theroe » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:29 am

bearbutt wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:29 am
Something about arcane hooks:

Not long ago I picked up something interesting at an angling auction: Datus Proper's travel fly tying kit. His book "What the Trout Said" is pretty good--he talks a lot about various issues related to fly design, and also talks a lot about hooks--complains most are inconsistently sized, a fact we all learn sooner or later. Proper believed every fisherman should tie. And he also believed that one should tie often, even when traveling on fishing trips. "In earlier centuries, every competent fisherman carried his 'book' of silk, feathers, hooks, and scraps of dubbing," Proper wrote in "What the Trout Said." Such a book need not be large, he explained. His own kit, he said, "measures only six inches long by four inches high by two-and-on-half-inches thick, fully stuffed. It is very well made of pigskin. It has a box for tools and thread, six envelopes for other materials, an end pocket in the actual pigskin, two parchment envelopes (with six pockets in each) which I sewed up myself for dubbing, and a sturdy strap around the whole thing. The kit carries the old American 'Common sense' label." I have posted a few of these photos before, but will post them again with some new ones:

I have to say I was surprised when I bought the little pigskin wallet, as I had not realized it was the actual one he wrote about.

It's small, as he said:

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It has the homemade dubbing pockets he sewed using parchment:

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The sleeves are filled with small bits of fur, hackle, and feathers--even a square inch of polar bear:

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And some of the hook packets are cool, Veniard hooks! Also some hooks I had not heard about before: Saville hooks in size 17, and Partridge Skues sneck hooks in size 15—Proper, like the Darbees, was partial to numerically odd hooks:

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The Skues hooks are reversed—I can’t say I have noticed it ever mkes a difference. But I do like the vintage Veniard hooks quite a lot--.

bb
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Re: Hook Porn

Post by tie2fish » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:56 am

I would say that this is a tremendous find. I believe D.P. is one of the top names in modern fly fishing lore and to have his travel kit is something to be admired.

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Re: Hook Porn

Post by St.Froid » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:04 am

What a great kit! It's amazing to be able to see tangible objects connected to the men who wrote the words we all know well. Being so far away from any form of polite society I love seeing stuff like this as it brings me closer to a fraternity I enjoy being part of; even if it is a long range romance. I just looked at my nylon and plastic kit, the one I keep trying to stuff more stuff into, and I was immediately reminded of Thoreau's words (...the other one) "Simplify, dammit!"

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Re: Hook Porn

Post by PhilA » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:38 pm

Theroe wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:29 am
bearbutt wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:29 am
Something about arcane hooks:

Not long ago I picked up something interesting at an angling auction: Datus Proper's travel fly tying kit. His book "What the Trout Said" is pretty good--he talks a lot about various issues related to fly design, and also talks a lot about hooks--complains most are inconsistently sized, a fact we all learn sooner or later. Proper believed every fisherman should tie. And he also believed that one should tie often, even when traveling on fishing trips. "In earlier centuries, every competent fisherman carried his 'book' of silk, feathers, hooks, and scraps of dubbing," Proper wrote in "What the Trout Said." Such a book need not be large, he explained. His own kit, he said, "measures only six inches long by four inches high by two-and-on-half-inches thick, fully stuffed. It is very well made of pigskin. It has a box for tools and thread, six envelopes for other materials, an end pocket in the actual pigskin, two parchment envelopes (with six pockets in each) which I sewed up myself for dubbing, and a sturdy strap around the whole thing. The kit carries the old American 'Common sense' label." I have posted a few of these photos before, but will post them again with some new ones:

I have to say I was surprised when I bought the little pigskin wallet, as I had not realized it was the actual one he wrote about.

It's small, as he said:

Image

It has the homemade dubbing pockets he sewed using parchment:

Image

The sleeves are filled with small bits of fur, hackle, and feathers--even a square inch of polar bear:

Image


And some of the hook packets are cool, Veniard hooks! Also some hooks I had not heard about before: Saville hooks in size 17, and Partridge Skues sneck hooks in size 15—Proper, like the Darbees, was partial to numerically odd hooks:

Image

The Skues hooks are reversed—I can’t say I have noticed it ever makes a difference. But I do like the vintage Veniard hooks quite a lot--.

bb
This needed a bump, for those of you who might have missed it!
Dana
Totally agreed! In fact, bb's description and photos of Datus Proper's traveling fly tying kit should be programmed for "autopost" approximately monthly forever. Proper's What the Trout Said is, in my opinion, the best fly tying instructional book ever written. And, it does not contain a single fly pattern. Instead, it discusses fly design ... what works, why it works, and how to present such flies. Proper was a scientist and experimentalist at heart. He systematically varied fly designs little by little and recorded the results -- good, bad, or indifferent. His conclusions came after many such trials over long periods of time. *Trout* told Proper what worked, hence the name of the book, which contains tremendous insights into fly design and fly fishing.

Last summer, I drove the full length of Hyalite Creek near Bozeman MT, which was Proper's home water, as somewhat of a pilgrimage. I imagined his presence each evening testing his latest hypotheses about fly effectiveness. Hyalite Creek was where Datus Proper died in 2003 at the much-too-young age of 69 after falling while fishing and hitting his head on a rock. So sad. Proper's spirits live on in his magnificent book and likely in the traveling fly tying kit that bb now owns.

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Re: Hook Porn

Post by bearbutt » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:04 pm

Well, thanks guys. I just had the dumb luck of being in the right place at the right time.

Not only did I get the tying kit, I also got with it another Common Sense fly box with some of Proper's flies in it--some snipe and purples, and a bunch of different black gnats (both clumped and knotted)--and several sea trout flies attached to leaders:

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I still need to photograph the rest of the hooks (mostly all Partridge) and the really nice little hand-held brass vise that looks like a little golf pencil. I'll get it done. But the car just died, and looks like it might be beyond resurrection--so I need to go get another family car first.

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Re: Hook Porn

Post by Eperous » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:52 pm

PhilA wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:38 pm
... Proper's What the Trout Said is, in my opinion, the best fly tying instructional book ever written. And, it does not contain a single fly pattern. Instead, it discusses fly design ... what works, why it works, and how to present such flies. ... Last summer, I drove the full length of Hyalite Creek near Bozeman MT, which was Proper's home water, as somewhat of a pilgrimage.
Phil, I agree with you 200% about Proper's What the Trout Said... that book, and Atherton's The Fly and the Fish changed my entire approach to fly tying and fishing for trout, and I'm much better for it... I also read Running Waters by Proper, but didn't get as much out of it, but that's probably just me... I thought I might have read he had a third book in the works when he died an untimely death... :?:

And, like you... when I fish/wander the upper reaches of the Neversink here in the Catskills, I often call upon old historical trout patterns, without regard to size or number of trout touched, as I also seek a "pilgrimage" back into history, remembering and celebrating the contributions of those who went before use...

Ed

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Re: Hook Porn

Post by PhilA » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:00 pm

Eperous wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:52 pm
Phil, I agree with you 200% about Proper's What the Trout Said... that book, and Atherton's The Fly and the Fish changed my entire approach to fly tying and fishing for trout, and I'm much better for it.Ed
At the risk of straying yet further from Hook Porn, I'll add a couple of more books to those above. These changed the way I think about fly fishing or fly tying (or both): Skues, The Way of a Trout With a Fly; Leonard Wright, Fishing the Dry Fly as a Living Insect; Roger Fogg, The Art of the Wet Fly.

I've not yet read Proper's third book (Last Old Place: Search Through Portugal), but it was recently recommended to me by someone whose opinion I respect highly. --Phil

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