Ephemerella dorothea [Sulphur]

[catskilljohn]

Yea, its a sulphur, all these little pale yellow bugs are

Like Bob mentioned, the dorothea is smaller that the invaria. CJ

[redietz]

Guys;

Is the E. invaria a Sulphur also or only the E. Dorothea? I know the E. subvaria is the Hendrickson but I'm still tryin to figure out the diff. between the invaria/dorothea species within Epehemerella.

E. invaria is the "big sulfur", or just "sulfur", e. dorothea is the "little sulfur". The bigger one hatches first, and in the beginning of the hatch is about a size 16, and much more orange than yellow. As the hatch progresses, (as in weeks, not during the same day) they get smaller, down to about a size 16, and lighter. The tail end of the hatch overlaps the beginning of hatch of the smaller sulfur, which starts out more yellow than the bigger one did, and is about a size 16 at the beginning of the hatch. The two species are really hard to tell apart during this period, and for decades, scientist thought they were a third species e.rotunda. DNA showed that this "third species" was really just a mix of smaller invarias and larger dorotheas, although there are still those that dispute the DNA evidence. As the hatch of the smaller sulfur continues, they too get smaller and lighter (and the larger stops hatching) so that you end up with insects which are size 18 or even smaller.

To further confuse things, "lighter" is a relative term. The duns are lighter than the spinners in each species, and are lighter immediately after emerging than they are after some time has passed. The male spinners can darker than females; I fished a spinner fall two weeks ago and caught fish on a red quill; the male Hendrickson spinner is not a whole lot more red than the sulfur spinners I was seeing that evening. In fact, they can be hard to tell apart.

I carry at least thirty shades and patterns of sulfur dries, and still sometimes come up wanting in matching the hatch on a given day, and almost the same number of wets. It's even worse on hot days when the hatch and spinner fall both happen at dusk, you're not quite sure what the fish are feeding on until it's almost too late.

I love the sulfur hatch(es) but they can be very confusing at times.

[catskilljohn]

I am finding out that color varies over time with these bugs. The few I have caught and "tamed" for photo's almost change colors before your eyes. That invaria almost looked olive when it first popped out, but after about 10 minutes started to "sulphur up". In the fading sunlight they glowed yellow while in flight, but when captured they were much paler.

Carrying a large assortment as Bob does makes sense, as I imagine from stream to stream they vary in color too. CJ

[Bamboo&Brookies]

rdietz wrote:
'I carry at least thirty shades and patterns of sulfur dries...'

Man, I don't have a prayer in hell.

;)

-Rob

[Eperous]

rdietz wrote:
'I carry at least thirty shades and patterns of sulfur dries...'

Man, I don't have a prayer in hell.

;)

-Rob

Me too Rob... I carry 30 dry flies in all...

Ed

[redietz]

rdietz wrote:
'I carry at least thirty shades and patterns of sulfur dries...'

Man, I don't have a prayer in hell.

For me, it's the money hatch on the stream I fish every week, and lasts from early May (April this year) into July. It's the only insect that it's worth it for me to have so well covered, more so since the same flies can do double duty if I go out west and fish over PMD's.

[fishcane]

rdietz wrote:
'I carry at least thirty shades and patterns of sulfur dries...'

Man, I don't have a prayer in hell.

For me, it's the money hatch on the stream I fish every week, and lasts from early May (April this year) into July. It's the only insect that it's worth it for me to have so well covered, more so since the same flies can do double duty if I go out west and fish over PMD's.

Until you hit the frying pan, then you need a few pink ones too!