Quack Coachman or is it a Royal Wulff?

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Quack Coachman or is it a Royal Wulff?

Post by wiFlyFisher » Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:28 pm

Who tied it first, Reuben Cross or Lee Wulff?

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Re: Quack Coachman or is it a Royal Wulff?

Post by squish67 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:31 pm

Reub Cross would be first, and that would be a Quack Coachman, the Kip (Impala) wing is the key. The Royal Wulff was originally tied with a white bucktail wing.

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Re: Quack Coachman or is it a Royal Wulff?

Post by Eperous » Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:07 am

Nice tie... ;) I call it a Hairwing Royal Coachman, and its a dy fly I would NOT be without... :D

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Re: Quack Coachman or is it a Royal Wulff?

Post by BrownBear » Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:42 am

Eperous wrote:...a Hairwing Royal Coachman....
Agree on it's utility, but in my eyes the deer hair tail pushes it out of contention as a hair wing RC.

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Re: Quack Coachman or is it a Royal Wulff?

Post by wiFlyFisher » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:38 am

BrownBear wrote:
Eperous wrote:...a Hairwing Royal Coachman....
Agree on it's utility, but in my eyes the deer hair tail pushes it out of contention as a hair wing RC.
I think of a Hairwing Royal Coachman with golden pheasant tippets for a tail and sparser hackle around the wing.

Either way, I love the fly!!

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Re: Quack Coachman or is it a Royal Wulff?

Post by quashnet » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:31 pm

The photo shows a Quack Royal Coachman as tied by the Dettes (many will recognize the other fly as a Conover).

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Re: Quack Coachman or is it a Royal Wulff?

Post by mikevalla » Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:47 pm

The best example of an authentic vintage Dette Quack is on page 32 of Founding Flies; it came directly from the framed set of flies tied in the 1930's---owned by Mary. Now, I'm not suggesting that you run out and purchase a book or anything like that. Just alerting you that if you want to view a very early example----it's there.

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Re: Quack Coachman or is it a Royal Wulff?

Post by Eperous » Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:42 pm

wiFlyFisher wrote:
BrownBear wrote:
Eperous wrote:...a Hairwing Royal Coachman....
Agree on it's utility, but in my eyes the deer hair tail pushes it out of contention as a hair wing RC.
I think of a Hairwing Royal Coachman with golden pheasant tippets for a tail and sparser hackle around the wing.

Either way, I love the fly!!
Sorry John, for as long as I can remember, I've been tying my Hairwing Royal Coachmans with woodchuck tail and NOT "golden pheasant tippets"... My personal inspiration for this was none other than Eric Leiser and his The Book of Fly Patterns after I became of age, my tying bible... :P plus the venerable Fran Betters... ;)

Scroll down far enough on the prior SGM thread below, and you'll catch a glimpse of this pattern that just catches Esopus Creek wild trout from August through season's end, if fish are still rising...

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=555&p=3660&hilit=ha ... oyal#p3660

Plus it's a great dry fly vehicle to occasionally drift a beadhead nymph some 4" to 6" below it to actively feeding trout...

Check this old SGM thread: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3994&hilit=beadheads

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Re: Quack Coachman or is it a Royal Wulff?

Post by ted patlen » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:58 pm

just to add on...the bucktail was used on the salmon dries first, bigger flies...i think :P

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Re: Quack Coachman or is it a Royal Wulff?

Post by wiFlyFisher » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:19 am

Ed, I never thought about it but I would think woodchuck used for the tail would work really well.
occasionally drift a beadhead nymph some 4" to 6" below it
I thought we are not suppose to mention nymphs with helmets. :lol:

With Internet today I am amazed at all the variations I see for classic patterns. You begin to wonder what the heck did the original pattern look like.

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