New regulations in region 3

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squish67
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Re: New regulations in region 3

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MIke

So that survey was done 10+ years ago, did not involve electro shocking (which I don't think has been done on the Battenkill since Ben Franklin), and I am not quite sure how they got that data. So at the last meeting they had which I think was 3 years ago, DEC said that based on that data, they were going to cut back in stocking above the Eagleville Covered Bridge, and only stock 2 year old fish. That they would not stock above the Springhole, which they later admitted was not the case as they dumped the excess fish at the 313 bridge. All this has little to do with the regulation changes, as the no-kill section of the Battenkill is open year round and that won't change.

As to the tribs, I find it hard to believe that the 5 or 6 guys who will wander up Murray Hollow or Camden Valley after October 15th, for the opportunity to do some no-kill fishing will not be well aware of of the redds and the need to stay away from them. The guys who are jacking fish now will still be there and we can only deal with that with enforcement. Fat chance that will happen under the current budget.

Many states have been successful under this type of management. Witness Jersey which our Eperous fishes regularly throughout the winter. I have seen small streams there that support native Brook and Brown trout, and they are virtually untouched after the regular season ends.

In the end the decision should be made based on science, and it will. Of course that is the same science that put all the wing dams in the Battenkill pointing downstream, and, oops, 50 years later, that is the wrong way!

I agree with Eperous. Go to the meetings, read the new regs, and give it a chance.

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Re: New regulations in region 3

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In other words, the Battenkill system has no current, thorough scientific data on which to support regulation changes. I agree----should be based on science (but the science in this case, based on what Squish said, is woefully lacking).
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squish67
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Re: New regulations in region 3

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Yeah, pretty much so. I imagine nothing at all on the tribs. Speaking of which, you live on a trib of the Hoosick? What do you see? do you go tramping through the redds in late October? Also , we are region 5.

Bamboo&Brookies
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Re: New regulations in region 3

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I can't see much reason to fish over spawning trout, or risk damaging redds and eggs by wading in the rivers and streams in late fall. Give the fish a break for a few months. Wild trout already have enough trouble surviving and reproducing.

Anyone who fishes the West Branch knows how many of the trout are hook scarred by the time June rolls around. They get pounded relentlessly.

If N.Y. State expands most waters to a year-round open fishing season, the results will be more harassed spawners, more damaged redds and eggs and more hook-scarred trout that never have a chance to heal.

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corlay
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Re: New regulations in region 3

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I agree that opening up small, wild trout waters to anglers year-round is a mistake.

Some of what i am getting from reading this thread is part of the reason to make change is to "simplify" the rules and regulations.
Heck, I'd be in favor of limiting ALL fishing on trout waters between oct 15-apr 15.
Yes, I said april 15th. Would prevent everyone from "shooting fish in a barrel" at the stocking bridge pools, before the snow melt calms down some and the trout have had time to spread out a bit.

Interesting that the survey data is so lacking on our NY trout streams.
It seems that PA is light years ahead of us in that regard?
I've read some pretty interesting scientific papers on PA wild trout stream ecology on the internet, just browsing over the years.
And PA DEC has a pretty cool interactive map that color-codes wild streams, naturally producing streams, stocked streams, "trophy waters", etc.

We could learn from PA. (including their apr15th opener...)

Bamboo&Brookies
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Re: New regulations in region 3

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Here is a post from guide Ken Tutalo about the proposed fishing regulations changes... including extending the trout season all year (Oct. 15-March 30 catch & release, artificials only).

There is also a response from Ed Van Put.

https://bit.ly/38sW1nY

Like I discussed with CJ, this is far from a done deal. With enough opposition, NY State will be encouraged to reconsider.

rjj
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Re: New regulations in region 3

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DEC is set to release its draft report on the proposed fishing regs in a couple weeks ( by mid-February).

Then there will be a 45-day public comment period.

It sounds like they plan to go forward with the year-round open season, but it's possible that enough opposition could make them reconsider.

rjj
Give a man a fly rod, a shotgun and a bird dog and he'll never be worth a d*mn.
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Re: New regulations in region 3

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I am going to hard copy a letter to Fred Henson. To me emails just don't have the same impact. Anyway I am going to voice my opposition from another angle... that during the spawning season, the trout are concentrated up and more prone to predator attacks such as birds of prey, Otters , Herons etc., and that since this an unavoidable reality, keeping Anglers out of the equation is something good that we can do. Give the fish a rest (from the hands of Man and Women) for 5 months. Climate change and thermal stress will be bad enough going forward.

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Re: New regulations in region 3

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Just my view , knowing that the birds are eating well , National Audubon Society would surely be in great support , less fish ( by open Trout season ) less birds can eat . They are a great and powerful organization which I worked along side on some beach access battles . Good people but have another direction on things . Only problem they might view of us , all the feathers we use on Trout flies .
If it has fins I want to catch it .

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