A couple from Deren

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A couple from Deren

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Two flies originated and tyed by Jim Deren, past owner of the Anglers Roost in NY City.

I use the Fifty Degrees often enough to endorse it as a great fly. It fills the need when a dark fly is on the water, and with its teal wings offers a slightly different look.

Tyed on a #12 Bergman yellow box hook,

wings, pin feather from teal flank, finely marked
tail, blue dun fibers
body, muskrat with a small amount of brown "mingled" in
hackle, blue dun

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The next one is Deren's Fox, it looks like it would be a great sulphur imitation, although I have never fish it.

Tyed on a #14 Mustad 94840,

wings, pale yellow mallard flank
tail, light multi-color [cree] fibers
body, Lt Cahill cream fur from red fox, scored on top with brown lacquer
hackle, one cream and one light multi-color [cree] hackle


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CJ
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Hi CJ,

Those are 2 beautiful flies, whether they work or not!
Back around 1962 or 3, I went up to the Angler's Roost in the Chrysler Buiilding. It was such a small shop. Anyway, I was just looking around and then sought some advise from Mr. Deren. I didn't know how 'famous' or 'infamous' he was. I did know that I had previously met him at the NY Sportsman's Show and he had been tying at some demo area. He did give me some of his time and I remember him showing me a bamboo fly rod that was about 3 feet long. It had a tiny reel on it and I think he told me that he, or someone, had actually used the rod for trout fishing :o I remember that when I left there I walked down to the garment district and went to speak to a feather merchant on west 20something st. who showed me some necks. I have a specific recollection of him showing me a grizzly that he was proud of. The price, and remember this was the early 1960s, was $25. It was well beyond my means and even if I had the money I wouldn't have spent it on chicken feathers :lol: . Without going to the book, I believe Deren's flies are in the Family Circle Fly Tying Guide.

Allan

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Than Fifty Degrees looks absolutely superb, you are a lucky man to have them in your collection..

/David S.

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Nice looking dry flies CJ...

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John,

Beautifully tied, as always.

I may have to tie up some "50 Degrees", sure looks like a killing fly.

Best,

Tim

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David S. wrote:Than Fifty Degrees looks absolutely superb, you are a lucky man to have them in your collection..
/David S.
Dave, I miss-wrote that, these were not tyed by Jim Deren, although thats the way it's worded. Sorry for the confusion, CJ
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"But this is where they painted spots on him and taught him to swim"

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catskilljohn wrote:
David S. wrote:Than Fifty Degrees looks absolutely superb, you are a lucky man to have them in your collection..
/David S.
Dave, I miss-wrote that, these were not tyed by Jim Deren, although thats the way it's worded. Sorry for the confusion, CJ
I see.. I guess, you are an even luckier man then as you could make it yourself :) /David S.

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Those are some of the best dries I have ever seen tied, CJ. No kidding and all ass-kissing aside. Great Job!
I actually tie and occasionally use the Deren's Fox in a large #8 for the Hex hatch in Maine, it's a good imitation although not the pattern's original intent. And I keep meaning to tie and try the Fifty Degrees for Callibaetis hatches. I definately am inspired to tie it now after seeing yours.
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By the way, what kind of brown dubbing did you mix in on the Fifty Degrees with the muskrat?
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Squaretail wrote:By the way, what kind of brown dubbing did you mix in on the Fifty Degrees with the muskrat?
I used wool, but not much. I thought about the statement "brown mingled in", and guessed it just called for a touch of brown. You want a sample? CJ
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"This is where the trout was invented?"
"Oh he existed in a crude,primitive form in Waltons England"
"But this is where they painted spots on him and taught him to swim"

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